what youou do with assad comes second. but those weapons cannot be used. >> oh, yes so we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> ohh. >> it was assigned in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have moral suasion. treaties are useless. what matters is force. the united states president says that something w will happen if they use them to do you think he cares if i.t. is written on a treaty? >> who said treaty? >> i am making a retroactive point. >> making a red line this is important. i am not sure what the red line is. and i am not sure how you bomb chemical weapons. >> you cannot. >> it comes down to what form will that intervention take? >> there is no use of a drone. if this ppens, you have to seize the weapons. >> what of the weapons fall at the hands -- >> i think the real issue is not that assad will l usehem, because he hangs if he does that. the world will t give them refuge in russia orlsewhere. the problem is if he is losing antril air bases, military bases, losing co